Which has a bigger cup — Denis Wick 4F or Giardinelli 17FL?

The Denis Wick 4F has a cup diameter of 16.50 mm / 0.6496 in compared to 15.00 mm / 0.5906 in on the Giardinelli 17FL — a difference of 1.50 mm / 0.0591 in. A wider cup generally produces a fuller, darker tone but requires more air support.

How does cup depth compare between Denis Wick 4F and Giardinelli 17FL?

Both mouthpieces share a very deep cup depth, so the sound character from depth alone will be very similar.

Denis Wick 4F vs Giardinelli 17FL

Name: Giardinelli 17FL
Brand: Giardinelli

The Denis Wick 4F has a wider cup diameter.

Overall Comparison Cup Diameter Cup Depth Rim Width Throat Diameter Backbore Finish Material

The narrowest point at the bottom of the cup. Affects resistance, volume, and tone color.

Mouthpiece A

Denis Wick 4F

• Flugelhorn

Throat diameter4.58 mm / 0.1803 in

Best suited for

📣High-volume projection — open throat for power

Mouthpiece B

Giardinelli 17FL

• Flugelhorn

Throat diameter—

Which is better?

Neither mouthpiece clearly dominates the other — the right choice depends on your embouchure, playing style, and the sound you're after. Try both if possible.