Bach 12E vs Schilke 51C4

The Schilke 51C4 has a wider cup diameter, the Schilke 51C4 has a larger throat opening.

Overall Comparison Cup Diameter Cup Depth Rim Width Throat Diameter Backbore Finish Material
Mouthpiece A
    Bach 12E
    • Trombone
    Cup diameter24.50 mm / 0.9646 in
    Cup depthShallow
    Rim width
    Throat diameter5.85 mm / 0.2303 in
    Backbore
    Finish
    Material
    Best suited for
    📣High-volume projection — open throat for power
    vs
    Mouthpiece B
      Schilke 51C4
      • Trombone
      Cup diameter25.63 mm / 1.0091 in
      Cup depthShallow
      Rim width
      Throat diameter7.04 mm / 0.2772 in
      BackboreJ .277"
      Finish
      Material
      Best suited for
      📣High-volume projection — open throat for power

      Cup Diameter

      The Schilke 51C4 has a cup diameter of 25.63 mm / 1.0091 in compared to 24.50 mm / 0.9646 in on the Bach 12E — a difference of 1.13 mm / 0.0445 in. A wider cup generally produces a fuller, darker tone but requires more air support.

      Cup Depth

      Both mouthpieces share a shallow cup depth, so the sound character from depth alone will be very similar.

      Throat Diameter

      The Schilke 51C4 has a wider throat (7.04 mm / 0.2772 in vs 5.85 mm / 0.2303 in). A wider throat allows more air through, increasing volume and projection but reducing resistance.

      Which is better?

      Neither mouthpiece clearly dominates the other — the right choice depends on your embouchure, playing style, and the sound you're after. Try both if possible.

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